Just a question regarding this bowling speed increase...
Im a 25 year old bloke playing Victorian Grade cricket 2nd XI & bowl around the 120 mark give or take... Im interested to know what sort of increase in speed this course is claiming to give?
details if you need them: 183cm, 90-95kg's, sort of a mixed action with a bit of a sling, run in off about 22 paces at a slower/steady jog
23 Mar 12 at 06:56
David Hinchliffe
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There is no fixed claim Nate - everyone is different. Some people with bad mechanics corrected will be able to put on 20kph, but realistically most will see smaller increases. It's not a magic bullet, but it will help you get the best from yourself.
Ian Pont's methods have increased speeds in many players, including one Essex player who got up to 144kph from being a standard medium pacer (although that was with intense personal coaching, so slightly different).
28 Mar 12 at 07:18
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Hi David,
I am 5'10" and weigh 225 lbs, about 45 lbs OverWeight.
How does reducing fat affect bowling speed exactly?
Does the body twist faster?
Does the bowling arm get pulled faster after losing weight?
Thanks,
Sunil
28 Mar 12 at 07:45
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If I got you to put on a weight vest with 50lbs in weight on it would you bowl faster or slower? Would you have more or less stamina? Would you be more or less likely to be injured?
But the real clincher for me is that there have been no great fat fast bowlers. All the greats have been lean and athletic at the peak of their powers.
Body fat is dead weight. You are better off without it.
28 Mar 12 at 19:44
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Thanks David. I will focus more on my weight loss.
Hopefully, losing 50lbs will increase my pace by 10 MPH
I wouldnt say merv hughes was lean and athletic... he wasnt exactly a fatty, though he did carry a bit...
Also isnt this website just about raw pace, not about becoming a great bowler, having ever lasting stamina or playing injury free for ever... from what iv gatherd its about cranking up my bowling from 120's km/h to 130s?
In victorian grade cricket there is a good fat opening bowler in the 1st grade from dandenong... he bowls good pace 125-130km/h..
As a bowler myself I think that its a 'person by person' thing,
I dont agree with the [run up:bowling speed] theory, as i can bowl at my top speed off 4-5 paces instead of my regular run up 24 paces, i keep the lengthy run up more for rythm.
I also think a person is restricted to a 'top-speed' set by there body type and athleticism. as example... I am not going to be able to bowl at 150km like brett lee does as because im a bit shorter in heigh and more of a stocky/muscular build compared to bretts frame being thin....
30 Mar 12 at 06:22
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Merv Hughes wasn't great when he was fat, or fat when he was great, I agree. Plus if he is the best example of a "great but fat" bowler then it kind of proves my point, I'm sure most of us could name dozens of greater bowlers.
This website is about becoming as good a cricketer as you can be with all the tools you have. So for bowlers that means pace, accuracy, swing, seam, tactical nous, slower balls, mental strength and technique. Speed is discussed a lot, but the other factors are all there.
I think you have a point about body type. I agree that it is a factor. However, you can still bowl as fast as your potential allows even if you are shorter or more stocky. Speed is about more than being tall and whippy. Larwood was 5ft 8 and as quick as anyone.
The problem is that noone knows where their speed ceiling is. So, many bowlers give up assuming they don't have the god given talent, where in fact with some hard work they can increase their speed. Maybe not to 140kph, but certain up from the club standard 100.
07 Apr 12 at 10:04
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My Fastest Ball this Season so far is 104 Kph. It was a bouncer I banged in.
I had worked out my shoulders and lats and rested for a couple of days. I guess comming fresh from resting for a couple of days gave me a strong feeling that day.
My Average Three Quarter Length Ball is around 96 Kph.
11 Apr 12 at 04:18
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David,
It's interesting that the Club Standard for a pace bowler is 100 kph.
Me and my friends recorded bowling speeds of several bowlers at the indoor nets.
We used four different Speed Guns, including one used by Canada's Cricket team.
Out of about 25 or 30 bowlers we measured, only two crossed 70 MPH.
Many refused to believe that their speed was below 70MPH, even though they looked fast on the hard indoor surface.
A few Indians were even angry and emphatically stated that they were as fast as Ganguly if not faster.
Our club's opening bowler managed only 63MPH and was shocked to see that he was only bowling at Anil Kumble's speed.
Maybe these speed guns understate the real speed by 10 MPH? Probably not.
The International Pace bowlers probably are 20 miles faster than the average club chum.
Sunil
11 Apr 12 at 07:35
AB (not verified)
The bowlers in my club vary between 70 and 110kmh. I'm a spinner and bowl at about 80-90kmh
11 Apr 12 at 10:28
AJEY MORE (not verified)
what is average speed of good 15 year old boy my speed is about 75km/hr
11 Apr 12 at 10:34
AJEY MORE (not verified)
sir
what is average speed of good 15 year old boy my speed is about 75km/hr
11 Apr 12 at 10:58
AB (not verified)
I'm not very good at kmh, but I know that in mph:
35-45mph: your average club spinner
45-55mph: club standard medium pacer, professional spinner
55-65mph: club standard medium-fast, the quicker professional spinners
65-75mph: club standard fast bowler, professional medium pacer
75-85mph: professional medium-fast bowler
85+mph: professional fast bowler
I am club cricketer entering my second season this year. Last season I was 2nd opening bowler.
I am 23 years old, athletic build.
Recently me and a team mate (also athletic build) purchased a Spartan speed radar.
In our grade i think we would be up in the top 10 quick bowlers.
we got to use our radar for the first time recently and we were pretty shocked that the best we could manage was in the 85-95kph range.
Are these radar guns that accurate? (we did notice it matter a lot how close were getting to the radar. Maybe someone has some pointers on the best way to use these things?
We were placing it at the base of the stumps, is this correct?
I really want to get my pace up and have been working on strength training so learning how to use this radar could be really beneficial.
Jimmy
21 Sep 13 at 11:15
Krishna (not verified)
hey i am 12 and I've maxed to 105kph is fast for my age?
21 Sep 13 at 11:16
Krishna (not verified)
sorry i was meant to say "is that fast for my age"
12 Dec 13 at 10:55
Graeme (not verified)
Guys, when your placing your radars at the stumps, batsman's end & recording speeds, aren't you forgetting the radars used in 1st Class & Test Cricket measure out of the hand. IE: 100km/h out of the hand, may only be 85-90km/h batsman's end? I'm 44yo & I clocked 97km/h batsman's end. Any thoughts on bowlers hand Vs batsman's end with the radar?
12 Dec 13 at 10:55
Graeme (not verified)
Guys, when your placing your radars at the stumps, batsman's end & recording speeds, aren't you forgetting the radars used in 1st Class & Test Cricket measure out of the hand. IE: 100km/h out of the hand, may only be 85-90km/h batsman's end? I'm 44yo & I clocked 97km/h batsman's end. Any thoughts on bowlers hand Vs batsman's end with the radar?
03 Dec 15 at 13:59
Ravichandran (not verified)
I m 15 yr old and I can bowl up to maxim 107km/hr..
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check out ian pont's 'the fast bowling bible' or his course on this site.
Just a question regarding this bowling speed increase...
Im a 25 year old bloke playing Victorian Grade cricket 2nd XI & bowl around the 120 mark give or take... Im interested to know what sort of increase in speed this course is claiming to give?
details if you need them: 183cm, 90-95kg's, sort of a mixed action with a bit of a sling, run in off about 22 paces at a slower/steady jog
Posts: 5540
There is no fixed claim Nate - everyone is different. Some people with bad mechanics corrected will be able to put on 20kph, but realistically most will see smaller increases. It's not a magic bullet, but it will help you get the best from yourself.
Ian Pont's methods have increased speeds in many players, including one Essex player who got up to 144kph from being a standard medium pacer (although that was with intense personal coaching, so slightly different).
Posts: 28
Hi David,
I am 5'10" and weigh 225 lbs, about 45 lbs OverWeight.
How does reducing fat affect bowling speed exactly?
Does the body twist faster?
Does the bowling arm get pulled faster after losing weight?
Thanks,
Sunil
Posts: 5540
If I got you to put on a weight vest with 50lbs in weight on it would you bowl faster or slower? Would you have more or less stamina? Would you be more or less likely to be injured?
But the real clincher for me is that there have been no great fat fast bowlers. All the greats have been lean and athletic at the peak of their powers.
Body fat is dead weight. You are better off without it.
Posts: 28
Thanks David. I will focus more on my weight loss.
Hopefully, losing 50lbs will increase my pace by 10 MPH
I wouldnt say merv hughes was lean and athletic... he wasnt exactly a fatty, though he did carry a bit...
Also isnt this website just about raw pace, not about becoming a great bowler, having ever lasting stamina or playing injury free for ever... from what iv gatherd its about cranking up my bowling from 120's km/h to 130s?
In victorian grade cricket there is a good fat opening bowler in the 1st grade from dandenong... he bowls good pace 125-130km/h..
As a bowler myself I think that its a 'person by person' thing,
I dont agree with the [run up:bowling speed] theory, as i can bowl at my top speed off 4-5 paces instead of my regular run up 24 paces, i keep the lengthy run up more for rythm.
I also think a person is restricted to a 'top-speed' set by there body type and athleticism. as example... I am not going to be able to bowl at 150km like brett lee does as because im a bit shorter in heigh and more of a stocky/muscular build compared to bretts frame being thin....
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Merv Hughes wasn't great when he was fat, or fat when he was great, I agree. Plus if he is the best example of a "great but fat" bowler then it kind of proves my point, I'm sure most of us could name dozens of greater bowlers.
This website is about becoming as good a cricketer as you can be with all the tools you have. So for bowlers that means pace, accuracy, swing, seam, tactical nous, slower balls, mental strength and technique. Speed is discussed a lot, but the other factors are all there.
I think you have a point about body type. I agree that it is a factor. However, you can still bowl as fast as your potential allows even if you are shorter or more stocky. Speed is about more than being tall and whippy. Larwood was 5ft 8 and as quick as anyone.
The problem is that noone knows where their speed ceiling is. So, many bowlers give up assuming they don't have the god given talent, where in fact with some hard work they can increase their speed. Maybe not to 140kph, but certain up from the club standard 100.
Posts: 28
My Fastest Ball this Season so far is 104 Kph. It was a bouncer I banged in.
I had worked out my shoulders and lats and rested for a couple of days. I guess comming fresh from resting for a couple of days gave me a strong feeling that day.
My Average Three Quarter Length Ball is around 96 Kph.
Posts: 28
David,
It's interesting that the Club Standard for a pace bowler is 100 kph.
Me and my friends recorded bowling speeds of several bowlers at the indoor nets.
We used four different Speed Guns, including one used by Canada's Cricket team.
Out of about 25 or 30 bowlers we measured, only two crossed 70 MPH.
Many refused to believe that their speed was below 70MPH, even though they looked fast on the hard indoor surface.
A few Indians were even angry and emphatically stated that they were as fast as Ganguly if not faster.
Our club's opening bowler managed only 63MPH and was shocked to see that he was only bowling at Anil Kumble's speed.
Maybe these speed guns understate the real speed by 10 MPH? Probably not.
The International Pace bowlers probably are 20 miles faster than the average club chum.
Sunil
The bowlers in my club vary between 70 and 110kmh. I'm a spinner and bowl at about 80-90kmh
what is average speed of good 15 year old boy my speed is about 75km/hr
sir
what is average speed of good 15 year old boy my speed is about 75km/hr
I'm not very good at kmh, but I know that in mph:
35-45mph: your average club spinner
45-55mph: club standard medium pacer, professional spinner
55-65mph: club standard medium-fast, the quicker professional spinners
65-75mph: club standard fast bowler, professional medium pacer
75-85mph: professional medium-fast bowler
85+mph: professional fast bowler
Approximate KPH equivalents would be:
58-75
75-92
92-108
108-125 (Mike Hussey, Paul Collingwood)
125-141 (Vernon Philander, Shaun Pollock, James Anderson)
141+ (Ryan Harris, Shaun Tait, Brett Lee)
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Hi All,
I am club cricketer entering my second season this year. Last season I was 2nd opening bowler.
I am 23 years old, athletic build.
Recently me and a team mate (also athletic build) purchased a Spartan speed radar.
In our grade i think we would be up in the top 10 quick bowlers.
we got to use our radar for the first time recently and we were pretty shocked that the best we could manage was in the 85-95kph range.
Are these radar guns that accurate? (we did notice it matter a lot how close were getting to the radar. Maybe someone has some pointers on the best way to use these things?
We were placing it at the base of the stumps, is this correct?
I really want to get my pace up and have been working on strength training so learning how to use this radar could be really beneficial.
Jimmy
hey i am 12 and I've maxed to 105kph is fast for my age?
sorry i was meant to say "is that fast for my age"
Guys, when your placing your radars at the stumps, batsman's end & recording speeds, aren't you forgetting the radars used in 1st Class & Test Cricket measure out of the hand. IE: 100km/h out of the hand, may only be 85-90km/h batsman's end? I'm 44yo & I clocked 97km/h batsman's end. Any thoughts on bowlers hand Vs batsman's end with the radar?
Guys, when your placing your radars at the stumps, batsman's end & recording speeds, aren't you forgetting the radars used in 1st Class & Test Cricket measure out of the hand. IE: 100km/h out of the hand, may only be 85-90km/h batsman's end? I'm 44yo & I clocked 97km/h batsman's end. Any thoughts on bowlers hand Vs batsman's end with the radar?
I m 15 yr old and I can bowl up to maxim 107km/hr..